Attorney Autumn Beck Blackledge specializes in family law and divorce but has a totally different mindset than most in that field.

She is focused on helping families through the divorce transition in a way that reduces animosity as much as possible for the best interests of the children.

This allows adults to make peace with the past, move on with their lives, and be effective co-parents. She lives this example in her own life with her own big, blended family.

We talk about how divorce, done right, can be a good thing, as well as…

  • A scheduling strategy for balancing career and parenthood
  • Getting rid of “mommy guilt”
  • The multi-step intake process to find your ideal clients
  • A weekly plan that boosts productivity and maximizes family time
  • And more

Listen now…

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Episode Transcript:

Davina Frederick: Hello, and welcome to the Solo to CEO Podcast where we provide a mix of powerful, thought provoking, and practical information to assist you in your transformation from solo to CEO of a high-impact, high-revenue generating business. I’m your host, Davina Frederick. I’m here today with Autumn Beck Blackledge, founder and CEO of Autumn Beck Blackledge, Attorney At Law.

Autumn is listed as one of Florida Trend’s Legal Elite for 2018. She’s been assessed by her peers and deemed to be a super lawyer, and she’s recently been recognized by her alma mater, Florida State University, as a member of the elite Seminole 100. Welcome, Autumn. I’m so happy you’re here today on my podcast.

Autumn B Blackledge: Thank you for having me. I love this kind of stuff, so I’m happy to be here.

Davina Frederick: Good, good. We’re going to have a lot of fun. You and I have known each other for quite a while now. We’ve actually been working together for some time, so I’m really excited about this conversation because you and I like to have long conversations together.

Autumn B Blackledge: Indeed we do.

Davina Frederick: We’ve had a lot of long conversations together, and it’s always a lot of fun. For everybody else, tell us about your firm and what it is that you do. Tell us the area of specialty for your law firm and how you serve your clients.

Autumn B Blackledge: Okay, great. Well, at our law firm, we really believe that families struggle, people are struggling in difficult times, especially when they’re ending relationships or they’re having changes in their family relationships, whether that be with children, whether that be with spouses or former spouses.

We really believe that there are times when people find themselves and their lives are in a ditch, and that it’s our job and our mission to kind of help them out of that. We believe that divorce can be good because it gets people out of the ditch. And so, we really rally around people who are having difficult times. Our area of practice is marital and family law.

Davina Frederick: Okay. Great. Where are you located?

Autumn B Blackledge: In Pensacola, Florida.

Davina Frederick: All right. For those who are not familiar with Florida, colloquially, that’s known as the Panhandle in Florida.

Autumn B Blackledge: That’s right.

Davina Frederick: For those of us who are Floridians, that’s the Panhandle.

Autumn B Blackledge: That’s right.

Davina Frederick: North Florida.

Autumn B Blackledge: Yeah, we’re closer to Mobile. Where my practice sits, we’re only about an hour to Mobile, about 20 minutes to the state line in Alabama. Our firm serves Escambia, Santa Rosa, Okaloosa County, and sometimes Walton, so the full Panhandle, over to Destin.

Davina Frederick: Right, okay. So for people that are detecting that strong Southern accent, that gives them an idea of where you are. You’re not anywhere near Miami.

Autumn B Blackledge: No.

Davina Frederick: You’re thinking of palm trees. But you are located on the beaches up there, so that’s nice.

Autumn B Blackledge: Yeah, it’s gorgeous.

Davina Frederick: Yeah. Tell everybody, give everybody an idea about your own family, because your own family’s pretty unique.

Autumn B Blackledge: Sure. My husband and I, Peyton, we are a big blended family. We married kind of late in life. We found our paths were very, very different. We were both divorced. We have very different divorce stories. Together, we have five children. They range in age from 11, all the way to 19.

We have four in the house, and the four in the house are all teenagers, which sometimes is really fun and sometimes is really stressful. But they are sixth, seventh, eighth, and ninth grade. So we have three in middle school, and one in high school that are at home.

Davina Frederick: Oh, wow. Wow. I can’t even imagine. I don’t have children. I have dogs, so I can’t even imagine what that must be like. You guys actually have your own podcast.

Autumn B Blackledge: We do.

Davina Frederick: Where you talk about being parents to … being this big blended family, kind of like the modern-day Brady Bunch, right? What inspired you to create this podcast?

Autumn B Blackledge: Well, I mean, we started realizing through the firm … My husband’s a professional firefighter, but he also works here in the office on his days off. We kind of realized that your life is a continuum, especially the type of law that I practice. We really feel strongly about divorce and your family law matters setting you up for a good, healthy relationship or life after the ditch.

Our podcast is kind of an effort to be transparent. We have a lot of fun. It’s called Love Our Living. It’s on iTunes and all of those other places. It’s really about kind of the struggles, the daily tips, tricks that we are kind of muddling through as we relate to other parents, as we relate to teenagers, as we relate to being a blended family.

We don’t have everything figured out, but we feel very strongly that all of these decisions can set you up to be happy in your life and fulfilled. We just try to pass along some tips. I think it’s pretty fun, too.

Davina Frederick: What made you decide to choose doing a podcast as a way to discuss that?

Autumn B Blackledge: I do some videos and things like that for the practice. I found that the videos, even though I don’t mind doing them, I’m a lot more comfortable when I don’t have to have my hair done and I don’t have to have all that kind of stuff all perfectly camera ready. We just seem to have a rapport on the podcast microphone.

And our family … One of kind of our first things that we ever connected on is Peyton, because he was in the car, and he’s a runner, and he’s at the fire station a lot, he would listen to NPR and podcasts. Whenever we were traveling with the family, we would listen to all these great podcasts.

We actually did a podcast party for our youngest son because he was so obsessed with them for a little while. That was a few years ago. And then we realized, we just really enjoy that forum. We’re in our dining room. We are not necessarily dressed up. We can do this early in the morning when we’re at our best. We just find that both of us are … We have the gift of gab.

Davina Frederick: Let’s talk about your practice. Give us an idea of how big your practice is and the number of attorneys you have work for you. Tell us a little bit more about it because I want to give people a sense of how big your life is. Because you’re juggling a lot, and I want to give people an idea of how it is because this is going to lead to another question that I have for you.

Autumn B Blackledge: Okay.

Davina Frederick: Let’s give them one idea of kind of, like, what Autumn’s day is like.

Autumn B Blackledge: Sure. Okay. In 2015, I decided to start my own firm. There were many reasons for that, but mostly just because I like being in charge. I trusted myself to be the steward of my clients’ files in my own practice and kind of be able to create my own story, my own destiny.

In 2015, I came out of a firm that I was in that gave me a nice background in family law and a good client base and a very good reputation. My legal assistant at the time came with me, and we just started this business.

And over the last five years, we have just seen incredible growth, more than I ever realized. When I first started my own firm, I thought that I would be eating ramen noodles, but it just all kind of worked out. We’ve just had a lot of growth.

Meredith is my assistant, and it just started as Meredith and I. And then, within the next probably two months of being on our own, we hired a second legal assistant. Now, the firm has grown about 200% since the time we first started. My math is not as good as others, so depending on the calculation that I get from my client management system, we’re anywhere between 200 and 220% growth in those five years.

We’ve hired an attorney. We have another attorney starting on Monday. We have a full time paralegal, our legal assistant. We have a receptionist/junior legal assistant. Peyton works here. We have people who do all kinds of things for us. We’re big believers, big believers in having help in every area.

Davina Frederick: So you outsource a lot as well. You outsource-

Autumn B Blackledge: As much as possible.

Davina Frederick: Yeah, you’ve outsourced some marketing activities.

Autumn B Blackledge: Mm-hmm (affirmative).

Davina Frederick: You have advisors. You have a big team of people helping you do things, right?

Autumn B Blackledge: Absolutely.

Davina Frederick: Beyond your staff, your full-time staff. You’re running the firm and you’re still practicing yourself. I would say full-time, though, you are changing kind of the way that you manage your time to allow yourself time to do some of the other things. And then you are mom to five kids and podcasting. You also are working on a book, one of the things you haven’t mentioned yet.

Autumn B Blackledge: Mm-hmm (affirmative), that’s true.

Davina Frederick: The question is, how do you do all that?

Autumn B Blackledge: Okay. Well, the first thing, the main thing is that I have a lot of good help. I mean, I have very supportive … I mean, my husband is very supportive. Our families are very supportive. We have help driving our kids around. We’ve outsourced as much as possible so that the time we have with our kids and the time we have together is quality time as much as possible.

That would be the first thing, is just kind of eliminating all of the things that I don’t like to do because if I can outsource it, I do. I also take Mondays off from the firm, and that helps me. I kind of start my week with self-care and my other creative things.

Peyton and I had realized that I was never at home by myself, and I absolutely love my house. It brings me a lot of peace and a lot of joy. But by the end of the month, I may be in my house by myself or an hour or two max, not enough time to really enjoy decorating or putting flowers out or anything like that.

So we started allowing me to take Mondays off uninterrupted so that I can write, so that I can get a massage, if I have any appointments I need to get done. My staff just knows that I’m not going to be available at all on a Monday.

Then my week, my Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, are very firm-intensive. I usually spend a lot of time on Tuesday afternoon doing firm management, marketing, planning, things like that. It just seems to have fallen into a natural cycle to do Tuesday afternoons, for some reason.

And then on Fridays, I do a lot of catch-up, like the kind of down and dirty legal work, like if I’m drafting something difficult or needing to do some research, or things like that. It’s a little bit quieter and we don’t have the phones ring on Friday so that we don’t get interrupted.

Davina Frederick: You have gotten very structured in your time, in your time management, and your priorities, and priority management stuff.

Autumn B Blackledge: Yeah, if it’s not on that list of things that I love the most, I really try not to get it on the calendar. I say no a lot.

Davina Frederick: You say no a lot. That’s fantastic. Were you always like that?

Autumn B Blackledge: No, no. Absolutely not. I mean, even in the last year, there’s been tremendous growth in that area. I mean, and you’ve told me a million times that just because you can doesn’t mean you should. It doesn’t mean that it’s your highest and best use.

This is no knock on Peyton, but of course I can organize the kids’ schedules faster, more efficiently, but should I? No, because I have these other things to do. And now we’ve realized that Peyton even shouldn’t be doing it. We’ve actually outsourced that to the person who helps us in the afternoons with the kids.

We’re always trying to strive for what’s our best use so that we have energy to do all the rest. Because when you’re doing the things that aren’t really in your highest and best use, it’s just energy draining. That’s why we’ve been really intentional about our calendars and our schedules.

Davina Frederick: What advice would you have for other women lawyers who have started their own practice and who are kind of on that solo to CEO journey, and who might not be quite as far along the path as you are right now?

Autumn B Blackledge: Mm-hmm (affirmative). The first thing that … I did this even in 2015 when I first started the firm. At the time, I didn’t have any resources to have help with my kids, and I had three children and I was single. I was very intentional at a three o’clock stop because that allowed me to pick up my children and get them everywhere they needed to go. It also made me more efficient during the day.

I would say figure out what the design of your life looks like as early as possible, and try to stick with that. Because if you’re going to be riddled with mommy guilt because you have a trial, then you need to figure out how to get ahead of that.

That would probably be my second piece of advice, is if you have mommy guilt or wife guilt or daughter guilt, you got to get rid of that because it’s not productive. It’s going to drag you down. You have to manage your practice in a way that meets your lifestyle on some levels. And then if you can’t do it all, because you shouldn’t do it all, then you have to get good people, pay them well, and expect a lot from them.

Davina Frederick: You shared something here that I think is really important for people to pick up on and catch, because a lot of people listening to this might look at where you are now and go, “Well, it’s easy for her to say because she’s married and she’s got all this help. She can afford to take Mondays off because she’s successful in her practice,” and all this kind of stuff. But that’s not how you started.

Autumn B Blackledge: No.

Davina Frederick: That wasn’t where you were. At one point, you were single and you had three kids because you were divorced. You had three kids. I mean, I say single. You were divorced, so there is a cooperative ex-husband there-

Autumn B Blackledge: Very.

Davina Frederick: … and you guys do get along and you coparent well, right?

Autumn B Blackledge: Very, very well.

Davina Frederick: You could also talk to us about your secret for that, which I’m sure would be helpful. Share a little bit of your story about what life was like there, before you kind of were set up for where you are now.

Autumn B Blackledge: Well, I was a stay-at-home mom when I was married. Even though I was a licensed lawyer, I took, basically, six years off when my oldest daughter was born. We have kind of in that really traditional marriage where my husband was working and I was at home, and then I had three babies kind of rapid fire.

I was living in Tallahassee. I’d been a lobbyist before that. It was just a natural break in my career. It was a good timing for switching careers, some things had changed. I did some blogging and I did kind of pour myself into that mommy role.

And so, when we got divorced, my whole life really changed. I went from being a stay-at-home mom in Tallahassee to living here in Pensacola with the three kids, working full-time. My ex-husband was still in Tallahassee at the time, so our time sharing was really hard to facilitate. We were having to meet halfway and all of that kind of stuff.

I learned to be efficient. I learned to delegate, but I really embraced … I had heard one time, this is from a stay-at-home mom that I’d heard a long, long time ago, said that she and her husband had made a decision to be a stay-at-home mom, and then they would just have the faith that they would have the money to be able to do that because it was one of their core values. And lo and behold, it kind of happened.

That’s how I really ran my firm. I was like, “Okay, I’m not making a lot of money right now. I’m not really taking as many clients as I could take if I didn’t have three kids. I’m not able to do as much. I’m not able to outsource as much.”

But I just had the faith that if I just kept working the plan I had for my future, that it would come to fruition. I also did Think and Grow Rick, and I was very committed to giving back to the people I served. I just believe that kind of staying the course and being very intentional about how I wanted things to go paid off for me.

Davina Frederick: I love that. I love it when you talk about that you were very intentional about it because I think that’s a common thread. It’s how I know you to be. That’s how I know you to be now, as well. You’re very intentional about how you … You put a lot of thought into your firm now, and what you’re going to do, and what you’re going to do next, and how that’s going to be, and then you work the plan. But there’s also a part about adapting and adjusting, too, right?

Autumn B Blackledge: Right. When I first started the firm, I had this schedule with my kids that they were gone every other Thursday, Friday, Saturday, and Sunday. So my ex-husband, Todd, would get them on those weekends, and I would basically binge work on those long days.

I work best when I’m doing something intense. I’d work best with long periods of time, with long periods of focus. I know everyone doesn’t, but that’s kind of my sweet spot. I had been doing that for years. I could do this three o’clock thing because I knew that the next, not that Thursday, but the next Thursday I could … I’m an early riser. I could get to the office and work five in the morning until seven at night, get sushi takeout and a glass of wine, and go home by myself. I was thrilled.

That changed when I met Peyton, because, one, when you’re dating, you want to be with somebody. He’d want to go on a date on a night that I would normally be working. And then as we blended in our family and things changed in our family life, those every other Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday kind of went away, especially with his schedule.

I had to adapt. I had to pivot on that and had to figure out a new workflow that worked for me. And then also as we grew, I had to figure out how am I going to scale this growth, which is kind of how you and I met is that I was like, “Oh, my goodness.”

This was a good change, but it hadn’t been the change I anticipated so I was lacking some focus and direction, and, oh, gosh, what do we do next? Do I just suffer through this, wait until I’m not the Baskin-Robbins’ Flavor of the Month or something, and wait until business goes slow again? Or do I expect to just be the best and figure out how to do that?

Davina Frederick: Or do we do something intentional?

Autumn B Blackledge: Right. And I’d say, “Okay, well, I don’t want to be the Flavor of the Month. I want to be the best-selling forever flavor, for as long as I want to do it.”

And so, I needed a plan for the next stage of this business.

Davina Frederick: Right, right. Back to the adaptability piece of it, so what has been very interesting is with the growth and the plan for the growth is how … be careful what you ask for because you just might get it, right?

Autumn B Blackledge: Right, right.

Davina Frederick: One of the things that’s happened with the growth is that things change that you don’t anticipate changing when you have growth, right? And then you wind up getting into this … You’re having to change and adapt and change yourself, and then things are changing around you.

There’s also that piece that I’ve noticed you grappling with and learning as you’re going through this process. Have you experienced that? This is my observation of you. I don’t know if you’ve experienced it-

Autumn B Blackledge: Yeah.

Davina Frederick: … and if you get what I’m saying, or if you’re just like, “I have no idea what you’re talking about.”

Autumn B Blackledge: Absolutely. No, no, I absolutely do.

Davina Frederick: “I’m not growing or adapting. What are you talking about?”

Autumn B Blackledge: No, I mean I’m growing and adapting a lot because as you hone this skill of being a good lawyer, a good business owner, you realize you have to have different skillsets around you.

When I was first practicing law, maybe I was doing a simplified dissolution of marriage, but now I don’t have as many simplified dissolutions of marriage. At that time, I may have needed one skillset in my support staff, and now I need a much higher level of support staff to join up with us.

As my skills have increased, as the blessings of kind of come unexpectedly, we’ve needed to kind of all level up. Being able to hone exactly what you need around you is something that has … I mean, that amount of change has been just exponential in my personal and business life.

Davina Frederick: Well, and for you to pull back. For you to pull back out of things, right?

Autumn B Blackledge: Yeah.

Davina Frederick: You need people that you’re confident can step in. Over time, that becomes more and more important, right?

Autumn B Blackledge: It had to.

Davina Frederick: You start repositioning people and adding people, and your team grows, and then you have to become a different person to lead the team. You have to develop your skills for that as well, which starts happening, and all these changes start happening with you because you’re not the person who’s there from five in the morning until seven at night doing it all.

Autumn B Blackledge: Right. Right. As a matter of fact, I’m trying to change to be the person who’s here less than the other people who are doing the five in the morning to seven, because that’s where my brain is the best for my clients.

If I’m not worrying about emails or things like that and I can really get into the facts of the case in the case that I’m working, I’m much more strategic. I’m much more intuitive for my client. My pulling back is helping exponentially my clients. It’s helping my happiness. It’s helping my balance with the family. I mean, my interactions with my children are better. I mean, it kind of all links up.

Davina Frederick: Service to the community, all of that from some of your roles that we’ve talked about. Talk to me about kind of the impacts … Speaking of that, talk to me kind of about what your vision is, and the impact that you want your firm and your family and your podcast and your message to sort of have. I mean, what is your big vision, do you think?

Autumn B Blackledge: Well, what is the big vision? I mean, the big vision is to bring some sort of added value to people who are experiencing changes in their family that they think might be the worst ever, and kind of give them a new light to say, “Hey, divorce is good. It’s good for the person who’s in an abusive relationship. It’s good for the person who has chronic mental illness around them.”

Sometimes it’s necessary and kind of as we’ve grown in this business, I really realize that people have broken lives, they have bad events, but these aren’t the things that have to define us. And so, ultimately, bringing some level of healing, bringing a level of understanding that even when you think you’re getting it right, it’s not always right, even when it looks good.

I mean, I have the hunkiest husband there is. And, I mean, sometimes he looks at me, and I’m like, “What is your problem, dude? You are annoying me.”

To have these kinds of real conversations about the things that happen in our marriages, in our relationships, in our families, is the way that, to me, people pick better, they choose better, they make better decisions, and then they learn how to love for a lifetime or let go.

For me, that … I mean, it sounds kind of corny for a divorce lawyer to say love is all there is, but really that’s all there is. If I can help people love each other a little better, that’s my mission, my ultimate mission.

Davina Frederick: I love that. I love that you’re kind of rethinking and sort of turning this idea of divorce on its head. How are your clients receiving this? I mean, are there ways that you’re sort of working it into your culture of your law practice, or has it always sort of been there? Is this kind of how you function as a lawyer anyway?

Autumn B Blackledge: I think it’s always been there a little bit. We certainly do have clients who get … We’ve always been very particular about the type of client. It was always very important to me to make sure, especially in a family law context, that I was sitting by the right person, by the good parent.

Now, there could be two good parents. I’m not saying that there’s always some sort of villain on the other side, but I wanted to make sure that I wasn’t sitting beside the villain.

I was very intentional about that in the beginning just because I know that I’m not as good at advocating for somebody that I don’t believe in. And so, our clients kind of knew this about me even then. Now, we give a lot of tough love around here. I talked to a lawyer today who said that, “Well, I don’t get into telling my clients whether they’re being reasonable or not. What they think is reasonable with their children is kind of up to them.”

I have a different philosophy. I think that part of the counselor, part of our profession, being a counselor at law and an attorney at law is also to say, “Hey, having a good, healthy relationship with the other parent is more important than chicken pox.”

We do a lot of tough love here. That does mean that sometimes if clients are looking just for revenge, they may not find me to be the best fit for them. But I also know that with that same dedication to trying to choose the right parent and the right party, that I’m also fiercely loyal and protective, and so those clients are a good fit. I find that I’m working with those clients more and more and more as room is being made when people just don’t choose, when there’s not a fit.

Davina Frederick: So, are you-

Autumn B Blackledge: Kind of like the of divorce lawyers.

Davina Frederick: Is that in your intake process, your screening process in the beginning?

Autumn B Blackledge: It is.

Davina Frederick: The way that you, in your initial consultation, the questions that you ask them, you ascertain kind of whether or not you’re going to be a good fit for them by letting them know how you think?

Autumn B Blackledge: Well, by the time that I have met with them, they have talked to two different people in our office first. Our receptionist and legal assistant, our first one would have kind of screened for people who are not well, people who are just not going to be a good fit for me for whatever reason, or if there’s a conflict, obviously.

Then our second step is kind of my right-hand lady, and that’s Meredith. She really takes time to make sure that this is going to be a good fit on all levels, financially, if they can afford this, what their goals are. By the time she actually sets the appointment with me, I have a good idea about whether or not this person is going to be a good fit for our firm.

And then I do a very long intake. That is probably one thing I think that distinguishes my practice is that I do a very long intake because I want to be able to foresee as many of the problems so I can solve them before they become problems. I like to feel the dynamic of my client and how I’m going to tell their story. The only way I can do that is if I have kind of enough time to hear the whole story.

Davina Frederick: That’s great. That’s a gold nugget right there for people who are listening to this podcast and want to know how to have the kind of success that you’ve had in your practice. That’s huge right there, in that intake process.

When you look at … Because our businesses are supposed to bring us some life satisfaction. I mean, the whole idea of working for yourself, you didn’t have … The reason we go through what we go through in working for yourself, because entrepreneurship is no easy trip, is that we want to create a satisfying career for ourselves. It’s not just about money. It’s about creating a satisfying career for ourselves. We want to spend our days the way we want to spend our days, right?

Autumn B Blackledge: Right.

Davina Frederick: One of the keys to that is really be discerning about who we spend our days with, selecting those clients that we really want to … clients and team that we want to spend our days hanging out with.

I think a lot of attorneys have it in their heads that, well, I’ve got to take whoever walks in the door. While that may be noble, I do think that you do get to choose.

You get to choose. Other people that come in, there are other attorneys who will be a good fit for that person. Just because you’re not a good fit for that person, doesn’t mean that there won’t be another attorney who is a good fit for that person.

Autumn B Blackledge: Right, and sometimes I’m not the best for that particular thing. I always try to take a client that I know I can meet their legal needs best as well. If I meet with them and they have an issue that I haven’t dealt with, but I know that there’s an expert in that particular issue right down the road, I’m going to tell them. That way, at least they can choose. I can say, “Well, I’ve never really …”

I’ll give you an example. When I did my first Hague Convention case in federal court, there was no one in town who had ever done one. I told my client, “I’ve never done one of these. They’re very rare. They’re very difficult. I’ve never done one.”

And I said, “Well, let me find you the person in town who can do it,” and no one else really had done it either. So I took that client because I’m like, “Well, if no one else has done it, then I’m just as qualified as everyone else to do it, and I can serve her well.”

But if there really was someone who could do that job better, I try to be really honest about that, and just say, “I can get up to speed. I have no doubt that I can handle any type of case that you give me. But if I’m not up to speed, I need to let you know that there might be somebody who’s better equipped.”

Most of the time, they’ll stick with you. But if it’s a bad fit for another reason, then they’re going to be much happier anyway, and you avoid bad reviews, and you avoid nonpayment, and you avoid all those things.

Davina Frederick: Right, right. Malpractice.

Autumn B Blackledge: Yeah. Or just plain malpractice, yeah.

Davina Frederick: Yeah, exactly, exactly. Well, Autumn, thanks so much. You have shared just really some fabulous information today. I think that’s really going to help a lot of people out there, other attorneys out there who are on the same journey, solo to CEO, and would benefit from your experience, sharing your experience.

Of course, I think they’re just going to enjoy hearing your story because I know that I have enjoyed hearing your story. I appreciate you being here and sharing with us.

Can you share with everybody your website and how we can find you, whatever, how we can connect with you on social media, your website, how we can find you, find out more information?

Autumn B Blackledge: Sure, okay. The website is www.autumnobeck, B-E-C-K, .com. I’m also on Facebook. I’m on Twitter, it’s AutumnFamilyLaw. We’re on Instagram. We’re on LinkedIn. We’re on all those things, and it’s just Autumn Beck Blackledge. Our podcast is Love Our Living. I think that kind of covers where you can find me. I’m pretty easy to find on social media. I’m there a lot.

Davina Frederick: I really encourage everybody to check out the podcast because it’s a lot of fun to listen to. I mean, I was telling her, I’ve been listening to it. I know that they may not intend it to be amusing, but I have enjoyed it because I’m married, and I’ve listened to them, and they’re a married couple doing this podcast, and so I related to it. I found it quite amusing at times listening to them. So do check out that podcast. Thanks so much for being here. I really appreciate it.

Autumn B Blackledge: Thank you for having me. I loved it.