On this week’s Wealthy Woman Lawyer® Podcast, we speak with attorney Jennifer Abelaj. A first generation American, Jennifer’s career has a unique trajectory. She started out as a Certified Public Accountant with Ernst and Young before going to law school, and eventually starting her own firm, Jennifer V. Abelaj Law Firm in New York.
Today we sit down with Jennifer to learn more about her and what she’s discovered on her journey including:
- The #1 surprise she found when starting her solo practice (and how you can avoid it)
- One little-known secret to getting more referrals
- How Jennifer protects her time, and the big lesson you can learn from it
- And much more.
Mentioned in this episode:
Davina Frederick: Hello and welcome to the Wealthy Woman Lawyer Podcast. We believe all women lawyers deserve to be wealthy women lawyers. Our mission is to provide thought provoking, powerful and practical information to help you in creating your own sustainable wealth generating law firm without overwork or overwhelm so you can live your best life. I’m your host, Davina Frederick, and I’m so excited for you to meet our guest today. So let’s get started.
Attorney Jennifer Abelaj has a background in business tax and law. She started her career as a Certified Public Accountant with Ernst and Young and continues practicing as a CPA at two worldwide investment banks. In her legal career, she’s worked at both large and boutique law firms practicing in trust and estates and nonprofits. And she’s the founder of Jennifer V. Abelaj Law Firm in New York, New York. Her law firm practice is focused on estate planning and nonprofit law. And we’re super, super excited to have her here today on the Wealthy Woman Lawyer podcast. Hi, Jennifer.
Jennifer Abelaj: Hi, Davina. Thank you for having me.
Davina: It’s so good to finally meet you and talk about your practice and how you’ve grown and some of the journey that you’ve taken. You have such an interesting background, being a certified public accountant. And did you become a certified public accountant and an attorney kind of at the same time? Or is it one before the other? How did that work for you?
Jennifer: Good questions. So, I became a CPA first. Law School came a few years later, I never wanted to be a lawyer. I did not like the law classes I took when I was in college for you to at the time, you know, when you want to sit for the CPA exam. It’s a very regimented course, I think it’s still that way. And you have to take two law classes. And it was not my cup of tea. So I didn’t like it. But one of the parts of the CPA exam is law. And I just barely failed my first time to get conditioned on the CPA because I missed the Law Section by two points.
Davina: Oh, wow.
Jennifer: Let me take it. Uh, yeah, I said, let me take it again. And let me kind of try to change my approach to the Law Section and pretend like I love it. And that’s what I did. And my I increased my points by like, 15. So I did really well. But what it did is that it kind of triggered an interest in me, yeah, to do the law. And when I told you know, some of my my friends and colleagues at the time that I was thinking of law school, they could all everyone who would take the CPA says that after, you know, do it during the Law Section.
But it was a bug that kind of bit me and five or six years later, I actually ended up in law school, because it just, I wouldn’t let it go. I just wanted to learn more. So yeah, so it was not I did not dream of being a lawyer ever. It did not interest me. But, you know, kind of kind of caught the bug accidentally. And so I found myself in, in law school, deliberately giving up a career that I was doing really well in. And it was just a huge risk for me to make that that change at the time.
Davina: Right. So, so give me a little bit of I mean, that that is a really unusual story. Um, you know, we often hear people say, oh, well, I thought about doing it. And, and then sometimes people are, you know, well, I didn’t think I wanted to be a lawyer til later on. But it’s really interesting how your journey to coming to that decision. What is it that, first of all, I love the idea that I’m going to pretend like I love this. And then I’m going to approach it from that angle that shows the power of the mind, you know, in our success. Yeah. And what is it that you then fell in love with what aspect of it was appealing to you?
Jennifer: You know, I think the thought process that goes into the law and applying it, right, so what when you take the CPA exam, it’s pretty much restricted to business law, corporate law, you don’t see the vast array of law topics that you see in law school or in the world. But I realized it was a slightly different way of thinking. And I really enjoyed how that worked seemed that there was a problem, or there was a challenge, and that there were kind of these rules in place or decisions in place.
That said, how that should be resolved. So we learned a little bit more academically when you study for the CPA exam, you know, they kind of give you a very definite answers. You know, like I you know, if you do this, it’s three years if you do that there isn’t too much room for getting creative with applying the law. But I did see that it was a different way of thinking than then it is to be an accountant and to be a CPA, yeah.
Davina: Yeah, very I can see that’s very, very different in that, but I imagine that accounting background, and being a CPA has helped you so much in your legal career in trusts and estates and working in nonprofits. Have you found that to be the case?
Jennifer: Oh, so much. It’s unbelievable. As you know, when I was an accountant, I did not want to do taxes. So I have all these kind of stories, I’m realizing where I don’t want to do certain things. And then I find myself doing them and doing them really well. I didn’t want to do tax. And I actually went to get my credentials as a CPA in the audit section. So wasn’t really exposed to tax too much. And when I went to law school, I was like, I don’t want to do tax law, I wanted to do real estate, but then a professor at at the law school, said well, this is what Real Estate Attorneys do, you know, they go to these board meetings, community meetings, and they get yelled at, and then they have to do negotiations, and they go at 8pm. And I’m like, that sounds terrible. So that’s not what I ended up doing.
But what I find is that my CPA background has really paved the path for me to understand the tax law from both sides, so and trusts and estates, I work with a lot of high net worth clients. So tax planning and tax decisions are integral to working with these clients, both during planning phase, and then post mortem phase. And I have to learn the law. And I had this professor in law school. And I said to him, you know, I don’t know if I want to take the tax class. And he said, I really suggest you take it because law as an attorney is different. I’m sorry, tax as an attorney is different than tax as an accountant. And he was totally right, it was very different.
Davina: What are the differences? What would you say the differences are?
Jennifer: Yeah. So I’d say this difference when it comes to what tax is like as a CPA versus as a lawyer is that the CPA understands what the particular tax law will do to the clients actual numbers. That’s what clients want to know. Right? They want to see, well, what does this mean, if we do this? What does it mean? What the attorney does is the attorney says, these are the things we can do. And this is how we can do them. And this is what we think the law will, will provide if we do this, what will that mean for your numbers we need to work with with the accountant, because they’re the ones that see, what does it mean for this, this particular client.
So I work very closely with accountants because we’re kind of two rails on the train track, right? One side is, is the attorney. One side is the accountant. And the train is kind of the client, right? Or the matter that we have to deal with. And we need each other in order to keep the client on the right path, right? Because for me, it’s more theoretical, whereas for the accountant, it’s more pragmatic, you know, what, what does this really mean? And so an example I give is, you know, sometimes people say to me, well, can we convert something for like an S corp to an LLC or something like that? And I’ll say, well, yes, there are some issues. And I say, well, one of the things that I think about is, you know, do you have depreciation that has to be recaptured?
So like, well, I don’t know, we don’t know. I don’t know. And the accountant is the only one that can answer that. Right. So my point is, for one client, the answer might be you’re gonna have a minimal tax impact. And for another client, I think you’re gonna have a huge tax impact, but I can tell them what the law is. But at the end of the day, only the accounting can say, what this will actually mean if we implement this, they run the numbers, they they do the pro forma account, and now we see if we need to change gears.
Davina: Right. That makes perfect sense. You are fluent in multiple languages. Tell me tell me a little bit more about that. What do you, what languages do you speak and why? What was your path to learning multiple languages?
Jennifer: Okay, great. So I’m a first generation American. My parents are both immigrants. My dad was refugee and from Eastern Europe, and my mom she came here from Colombia. So they met and here we are, and so I still you know, I speak Spanish fluently. I speak Slovak, conversationally. So that’s kind of my my origination to life and my husband is French. So I’ve learned French to speak with my family in France. So that’s how I speak different languages.
Davina: And you are able to so this will add a benefit for your clients because you’re able to work with clients of many different, you know, ethnicities, nationalities, and able to serve them, right?
Jennifer: Absolutely. Especially when it comes to Spanish speaking clients, they, you know, they tend to have an immigration call, I think clients who are immigrants or clients who kind of have an international footprint, I’m able to kind of bridge that gap when it comes to understanding certain lingo understanding the culture to a certain extent, because I’m very sensitive to the way different cultures approach, estate planning, estate, taxation, accumulation of wealth, because I was in that world, I grew up in that world, right? You know, I understand what it is to be a child of an immigrant.
And I see now that I’m older, like what the immigrants mentality is, you know, depending on how they they got here, it’s kind of like, by your bootstraps, you work really hard, you try to do really well. And hopefully, you do well for your, your family and the next generation. And so a lot of clients, especially, you know, the immigrant community, they can be very cautious with who they work with, and being able to communicate with them in their native language is so important for them to gain trust with their advisor, I tend to see that that’s, that’s a huge factor in working with clients. And, you know, whether we’re doing advanced tax planning, or something more basic, having the ability to speak, in their native language is critical.
Davina: Right, I can see, I can see that would be huge. And really kind of when you you’re sort of touching on the differences between Americans, you know, people who have born and raised here and don’t have that may not have as strong of a cultural or international footprint, as you, as you put it, I can see the differences and why that would be so important to be have an understanding of how cultural dynamics fit into people’s money stories, right, like, what their beliefs are around money and estates and and that kind of thing, right? What are some of the differences you think you’ve noticed? You mentioned a couple.
Jennifer: Yeah, so I’d say the biggest one I noticed is that clients who built their own wealth, tend to be cautious when it comes to sharing information about it, because they just don’t want anyone to have too much information about them. So they tend to be distrustful, and they want to know that whoever it is that they’re speaking with, understands what it took for them to get to where they are, and understand how much they want to protect what they’ve created.
And I think a lot of us, you know, that kind of comes across, a lot of people want to protect what they’ve created. But I find that especially to be the case, when it comes to immigrant families who have created wealth for themselves, kind of trying to do it on their own, because they, they don’t really trust anyone else. So that’s the biggest one that I see. Another one that I see is that they kind of wait a little bit longer before they get someone else involved to help them. So, you know, I kind of tried to come in, but by the time I come in, you know, I’m like, we could have done this, we could have done that.
But something else I find is that they’re actually much more open to creative solutions, I think, because in a way they haven’t been indoctrinated to just do a will and you pass it. They’re much more open minded, when they do start listening to what what we’re discussing, and ask him questions about all the different ways that we can retitle assets try to save taxes. They’re not as reluctant to keep the assets in their own name. They’re more willing to understand the bigger impact of the type of planning I’m trying to do for them.
Davina: Oh, that’s interesting. That’s very interesting. Yeah, let’s, let’s shift gears a little bit and talk about your law firm business. Now, a lot of the women, a lot of the people listening to this podcast or other women law firm owners. And so I always like to delve into a little bit about your law firm. And when, what year did you start your firm? Because you’ve worked at did you work? You work for other law firms first, correct?
Jennifer: That’s right. Yep.
Davina: Yeah. So what year did you start your law firm?
Jennifer: So I actually just started my law firm earlier this year.
Davina: Oh, yay. Well congratulations.
Jennifer: Yeah, thank you. So it was in the planning for 15 years since I’ve been in law school. But it just, it kind of took a while to get here. And I always knew I wanted to have my own practice. But I, I guess I say the life kind of takes charge in a way. And I ended up getting great opportunities to really learn my area of passion, which is trusts and estates and not for profit. And so I took them I figured, you know, this will just help me refine my skills, it’ll help me learn to be a lawyer. And then at one point, as I was getting more senior a little bit, I think, you know, quote unquote senior, I wanted to start learning how to build my practice.
So I tried to situate myself so that I can do that and learn how to build a practice, kind of learn the business a little bit. And now I made the decision to do it, you know, the past year kind of help that along, just seeing how I was able to switch to all remote switch to paperless, you know, the goal of the firm is to be paperless. And a huge factor was to see how well my clients adjusted to technology. Because my clients are the biggest factor when it comes to making the kind of decision and how I set up the firm. And I wanted to make sure that my clients would be able to come along on the technology road that I’m trying to create.
And so they adapted so well to it. You know, we were kind of forced to do it, right. But it showed me that we’re all really resilient in a certain way, despite all the terrible, you know, things that happened in the past year. And I said, You know, I think that this is a good time to do it. I’ve been able to figure out what it’s like to work remotely. My clients have adjusted really well to meeting remotely doing remote signings and remote notarizations. So that was a big catalyst that made me do it at this point.
Davina: Right, right. So you were the last firm you were working with? What kind of was the? Did you have an aha moment that I really need to open my own firm? Or, you know, was there something that caused that caused you to go down that road? Or what made you decide that that’s what you wanted to do?
Jennifer: You know, that’s a good question. I think it was a combination of things. There wasn’t, there wasn’t an event. There wasn’t something it was just kind of an accumulation. And I’ll say that, because I actually started thinking about it the year before. So I started thinking about really taking steps in 2019. So it took me kind of a year of planning to get to where, where I actually went off on my own. So wasn’t, it wasn’t planned in like a week, it’s a planning, I did a lot of research and spoke to a lot of other solo women, you know, what their path is, like, what I should think about, you know, I’m also a member of the New York Women’s Bar Association and the solo small practice committee, which is amazing, they are so supportive.
They gave me so much advice. And and I looked into, you know, what are the costs gonna be? How much do I need to have, because I wanted to build a business, right? So I want to make sure that the business can can not just the same itself, but it can sustain me. And so that’s why it took a little bit of planning to get to where I took the leap and, and went off on my own was the planning not just financially but but logistics and website and, and raise, what kind of clients things like that.
Davina: Right. Right. So how’s it been going so far?
Jennifer: It’s going well, you know, I’m still learning a lot about being a business owner. I’d say the, the one thing that I was surprised about as much as I tried to plan for it was all the administrative work that goes into being a solo practitioner, and I have listened to one of your podcasts, you know, and that is a topic that comes up, you know, knowing how to, and when to delegate when to ask for help. And, you know, in what I do with trusts in a safe, I actually can’t really be completely solo, right? Because I need to have a second witness. If we’re, if we’re, if I’m going to supervise the execution of a state planning document. I have a notary.
So, I do need a team and it’s just a little bit of a change thinking that well, I’m going to be solo, I’m going to do it on my own. But you know, you can do almost anything you want. But you almost always need someone to help you. Right? So I think that’s something I’m learning along the processes. Embracing that I can actually lean on other people. And in a way I have to, right? No, I’m not an island, right. It’s kind of a village, I need a village. And that’s been more interesting. Yeah.
Davina: Right. Right. I also would say, you’re, you know, we tend to think, as attorneys, we’re intelligent people, we’re educated people. And so most things, we feel like we can figure out if we just have enough time to figure it out. But the truth of the matter is, is that, really, there is the highest and best use of our time, there’s something that where the value of our time is and other things, we’re probably not the best person to do. You know, like, for instance, when people are, you know, attorneys are trying to promote themselves on social media, it may be that they don’t, they’re not graphic designers, and yet, they’re spending time at night, you know, putting together memes to go out on their social media, and it’s like, okay, how much money can I be making in that hour?
Or what else could I be doing, like resting? You know, if I hire somebody who’s a graphic designer, and then I’m not spending time, there’s a whole lot of different aspects of running and growing your law firm, where it just makes sense to have other people help you out with it. And what’s so wonderful about the world we’re living in today is that there are so many remote vendors, you know, virtual assistants, who can help you with a lot of those things, even virtual paralegals and or other contracts, attorneys. And so you can build the team without having an office, you know, if you want to like the traditional law firm, so it’s an exciting time, you know, to be growing a law firm, don’t you think?
Jennifer: Absolutely. I completely agree with that. It’s, it’s just like you said, you know, kind of taking a step back and and seeing where am I kind of spinning my wheels? And what do I feel like I’m wasting time on? Something that actually has to get the odd, but maybe it’s just not time well spent? For me, right. And I feel like it’s a it’s just a growing process a little bit, just because I am kinda behind the ears on on being a business owner and having my own practice, I’m finding that working with the clients and doing the legal work is easier than the administrative stuff.
But, you know, I learned as I go, I asked for a lot of advice, and I, you know, I am looking to, you know, build my team, you know, as far as as I can, so that I do have the support I need when I do have a client finding, or if I need someone to help me prepare certain documents that are standard for a not for profit, I can I can kind of give that to someone else. And I can say, this is kind of what you do, as long as it’s something that isn’t, you know, confidential for the clients that have information. That’s something that they can take off my plate, and I can spend my time more wisely.
My goal is to work smart, not hard, in a sense, you know, I feel like I do work hard, but I want to work smart, and I don’t want to just work, work, work. And then it’s like, well, where is this really get me right? It might not all be something that’s bringing money back to me.
Davina: Right. Tell me this. What is your, what was your interest in picking nonprofits as one of your practice areas?
Jennifer: That’s a good question. It wasn’t an interest of mine. I didn’t know that area of law existed. This was just about maybe eight or nine years ago. I was at a, you know, another firm where I was a more junior associate in the trust and estates group. And if you know anything about trust and estates, you know that if you’re at a big firm, it usually does not build the high numbers that litigation does. So I was always the one that kind of had a little extra time on my hands. And there was a new nonprofit corporation law in New York that was passed, it was a completely new new law. So they needed someone to learn it.
And because there is a bit of crossover between philanthropic planning and charitable planning and estates, and I had time just to well, there was also a lot of tax tax information involved. They kind of tasked me with with learning that particular law, the new law, and summarizing it kind of sharing the information with the attorneys in the firm who have these clients. And that’s what I did. I learned the law. I summarize it, I made I made a chart, and I made paragraphs and descriptions. And what ended up happening was, at that point, I was the expert in the firm, because no one else delved into it as much as I did.
So I started working with the attorneys who do had you know, had a few not for profit clients. So I was working on the not for profit matters. And slowly but surely it turned out that I really enjoyed working on it. I think a big factor also was that I, I had good attorneys I was working with, and they challenged me in a great way. So they were very supportive. It was a team environment, but they challenged me and they let me loose a little bit where they said, go try this and see what you come up with. Right? And then if, if I presented it to them, they might ask me follow up questions. So they taught me how to think in a way like a lawyer, right that you want to do when you’re in law school. But in practice, it’s very different.
So when I went to the next firm that I was at, they had a huge number of not for profit clients. And the partner I was working with, he also had not for profit experience. But there wasn’t really anyone else at the firm that was a dedicated, not for profit attorney. And over the years, I really learned all the different areas of not for profit law, because that was delve into it. And I embraced it because I loved doing it. So that’s how I got to not for profit, it was interesting, because when they they initially gave me that project many years ago, I was like a not for profit.
What is that? You know, if they don’t teach you this in my law school, I did, this wasn’t a class for me to take. But it turned out that I loved working on it. So now that that’s a significant part of my practice working with not for profit at every stage of their life cycle for from beginning to grow, to challenges to the end of their life cycle, whatever that might be, whether it’s a merger, or dissolution.
Davina: Right. I would imagine, since you like to work with high net worth clients, that foundations and philanthropic organizations and are a big part of their estate planning are a big part of their financial planning. And something that has to be dealt with in estates. Do you find that you’re working with those, or are you tend to be working with more sort of grassroots nonprofits?
Jennifer: So it depends, I say, if a client is philanthropic, to begin with their philanthropic. I’ve found it challenging to convince the client who’s not philanthropic to the decide to, you know, give a part of their estate to a charitable purpose. But because I but you’re right, because I know both areas separately, so well, I’m able to bridge the gap. When I do have a client who is philanthropic, and they might come to me and say, I want to create a private foundation. And I’m like, alright, well, let’s talk about that.
You know, what, what are you trying to get out of this? Is this going to be an ongoing Family Foundation? Or is this going to be for a limited time? Where is the funding coming from? How involved do you want to be? Do you want to make the decisions on who gets the charitable amounts? Do you want to file tax returns every year? So I hear what they have to say to me, you know, how involved do they want to be or not involved? And I say, well, maybe a private foundation is not for you. Maybe there’s another tool, maybe a charitable trust. Or maybe a donor advised fund. It works the other way to where maybe someone says a donor advised fund, I’m like, well, this is what it means is that what you would like to get out of the donor advised funds, you want to be more involved?
And so someone said, well, we want to be involved. We want to, you know, pass this to the family, we want to have a board and want to, you know, make these decisions. Well, maybe a private foundation is better for you. So it depends if the client is philanthropically inclined, then I’m able to kind of bridge that gap for them. And sometimes I have a client who wants to set up a separate nonprofit, you know, so when I say not for profits, it’s not just public charities or private foundations. I work with civic organizations, I work with supporting organizations, I work with membership organizations, I work with organizations that just hold real estate. Organizations that are set up to work with a PAC organizations that are set up for lobbying purposes.
So I work with a whole umbrella of nonprofit organizations, and kind of anything that comes along in their lifecycle. I work as fractional general counsel for some clients where I work with them regularly throughout the year on an as needed basis. With some I work on a per project. Maybe it’s just setting up their organization initially, and then we’re kind of done unless they need something or maybe it’s governance purposes. I work with a lot of nonprofits who have governance issues, so their bylaws need to be revised. I figure out what the challenges are, get that cleaned up for them. Is there a conflict of interest? Is there a potential transaction that the IRS is going to look into that’s going to create an excise tax. So these are the kinds of things I work on with not for profit on when they come to me.
Davina: So what do you think the challenges have been in starting your law firm in 2021, after this kind of year of shut down, especially in New York City, we were noticed, you know, New York City is really changed a lot because of the pandemic and, and the need to really shut everything down to protect people. How has that affected your ability to sort of market your practice?
Jennifer: Yeah, so I get a lot of my clients from referral. So I try to be out there a little bit more with Instagram, Facebook, which I can’t even figure out how to use honestly. Twitter. So try to be active in other ways. But for me, because a lot of my referrals come from my network, it’s been a little bit harder to stay top of mind, in a way, right. And I say it’s both ways, like, not just me on their top of mind, but you know, them on the top of my mind. So now that things are opening up, I’m trying to deliberately and that I’m vaccinated, and the people I’m meeting with are vaccinated, to start meeting in person more, because, you know, the Zoom is is fine, it works.
But I think meeting in person is kind of what can solidify a professional relationship, if you want to start delving into who might be a good referral source. So it’s been tough to do all the phone calls and the, you know, the Zooming and things like that. On the flip side, because I’ve, I’ve had the ability to do all the zooms and the phone calls, I was able to meet a lot more people, but it kind of made me realize I want to focus my efforts a little bit more in in a specific way to clients that we can be beneficial for each other and referrals, we can be beneficial for each other. But also to kind of broaden my my marketing a little bit. Right, right.
Davina: So what is your vision for your law firm? Where do you anticipate that you want to be in three years from now? What would what would that look like for you?
Jennifer: That’s a great question. You know, I think I’m still trying to figure it out. I don’t, I don’t have an answer. Um, I kind of wanted to run my own show on my own by my own. But now I’m starting to realize that I’d probably do better with a team. And I think my clients would probably do better if, if I had a team. So it’s possible that I might say, I would like to have an of counsel that I work with that is in a practice area that complements my practice, one of my practice areas.
And I think that is probably the most identifiable place I would like to be in three years is to not necessarily expand my solo practice, but to say that I do have other resources that I work with regularly so that if something comes up that is kind of in the wheelhouse of what I do, I don’t have to refer it out necessarily. I can I can say we can help you with that.
Davina: Right. Well, it’s been so fun to talk with you today. And I’m super excited for you about your new law firm, because that’s a that’s a big step. And I’ve done it and I know how exciting it is. So I’m really glad that you’ve that you’ve done that. And it sounds like things are going really well for you. Tell us how we can connect with you in social media, or not Facebook, I guess, or find you on the internet.
Jennifer: Okay, great. Thanks. So you can find me on my website abelajlaw.com. That’s abelajlaw.com. I’m also an Instagram jvalaw. And then on Twitter JVATax, the letter N law. JVATaxnLaw. I do have a Facebook, but I don’t really do much to it. Because I can’t figure out it’s overwhelming to me. But those are the best. Those are the ones you’re gonna see me most active on is Twitter, Instagram, and then on the web. I have a blog on there.
Davina: Yeah, yeah, I, one of the things I advise my clients is, you know, find those social media apps where you for you like hanging out, but also where your clients hang out. And then when you can find those where both you and your clients hang out. That’s really where you should be. And don’t worry about the others, you know, so we don’t have to master them all to grow our firm and get where we want to go. We can pick and choose, you know what works for us. So I’m really glad that you’re here today. Thanks so much.
Jennifer: Thank you. It’s great to talk to you Davina. Thanks for having me. So excited.
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