On this week’s episode of the Wealthy Woman Lawyer®️ Podcast, we sit down with Sheereen Middleton. Sheereen is the Founder of Middleton Legal, a boutique, virtual law firm that focuses on bankruptcy, real estate, and estate planning in the state of Maryland. She has successfully created and operated her firm, growing it to include a team of 9, most of whom are distributed, remote workers. Based on her qualifications and successes, in 2020, Sheereen was invited to membership in the prestigious National Black Lawyers Top 40 Under 40.

“I felt like my purpose on this planet was to do something beneficial to others, and in law school, I learned how impactful we [attorneys] can be,” says Sheereen.

We chat with her about her love of the law, her successful business model and: 

  • Facing fears and overcoming barriers of starting in law 
  • Balancing practices in different states 
  • Marketing strategies to build a business
  • Building a company culture in a virtual world 
  • The keys to managing virtual assistants
  • And much more.

Listen now…

Mentioned in this episode:

  • Sheereen’s Website
  • Sheeren’s Instagram
  • Sheeren’s Facebook 


Davina Frederick: Hello and welcome to the Wealthy Woman Lawyer Podcast. We believe all women lawyers deserve to be wealthy women lawyers. Our mission is to provide thought provoking, powerful and practical information to help you in creating your own sustainable wealth generating law firm without overwork or overwhelm so you can live your best life. I’m your host, Davina Frederick, and I’m so excited for you to meet our guest today. So let’s get started. 

Attorney Sheereen Middleton is the founder of Middleton Legal, a boutique law firm offering bankruptcy, real estate and estate planning services throughout the state of Maryland. She attended college and law school in Florida before returning to Maryland to work and live and is not only a licensed attorney in both states, but a licensed Realtor as well. In 2020, Sheereen was invited to membership in the prestigious invitation only National Black Lawyers Top 40 Under 40 organization based on her legal qualifications, performance and leadership skills. So we are super excited to chat with Sheereen today and have her on the Wealthy Woman Lawyer podcast. Welcome, Sheereen.

Sheereen Middleton: Thank you so much for having me.

Davina: Really happy to have you here. So why don’t you give us a little bit of background and tell us how you came to decide to be an attorney.

Sheereen: So I decided to become an attorney after attending school at the University of Miami, I thought that I would actually end up going to law school at UM. But I ended up being blessed with the opportunity to have a scholarship and attend school, up the road at St. Thomas University in Miami Gardens. And that’s where I learned a lot about the impact that attorneys have in people’s lives. And for someone who have always felt the need to want to make a difference on this earth, whether it’s through, you know, I’ve always been someone who wanted to make a change, want to make a difference. I felt like my purpose on this planet was to do something beneficial to others. And so in law school, I learned how impactful we can be not just through, you know, criminal defense, or things of that nature, but through bankruptcy, and debt relief. 

And I had the opportunity to be a member of the bankruptcy clinic, while in law school working on pro bono cases. And that’s when, you know, you take it out of the textbook context to real life application. And you see, and you hear these people and their stories, and how much the debt has been crushing them. They haven’t been able to eat or sleep. It’s a very psychologically tormenting kind of experience to be in debt. And so when you speak with them, you hear about their stories, and you start telling them about the different ways that bankruptcy we’ll be able to alleviate that, you kind of see the stress melting away, their shoulders start to relax, they actually start to smile and feel a little bit of spark of joy again, and I’ve always wanted to practice what I considered happy law. I wanted it to be a happy story at the ending. So that’s what maybe one to get, not only into the field of law, but specifically into the practice of bankruptcy.

Davina: And it’s it’s really interesting to hear you frame it that way. You know, a lot of people think are bankruptcy, they wouldn’t think happy law, they just think you know, oh my god, that’s terrible, right? But I know exactly what you’re talking about is that when you’re sitting there with somebody who I represented, lenders in foreclosure matters, and we often were in mediation with, with people, and you would just you would see just the devastation on people’s faces when they know that they’re losing their home, or they’re having to go through bankruptcy or something like that. And they tend to think that it can feel like the end of the world, to the clients. And when you come out and as an attorney, you really have a different perspective. You and you can offer them a lot of hope, about life, not only going on after bankruptcy, but also have that burden relieved, right?

Sheereen: Absolutely. Yeah. And it’s it’s so interesting to be able to educate them about laws that are put in place for their protection. And so when you reframe it that way, I always try to empower my clients and let them know that what they’re doing is almost like, you know, they’re the CEO of their own life and this is a business decision that they’re making to reorganize or to restructure. And so it’s really great when you are able to, I don’t want to say sell it. But as a solo entrepreneur kind of attorney, I am essentially selling my services. But that’s kind of like the spin that I like to put on my bankruptcy services. I really like to make it a form of empowerment, I’d really like to let people know that it’s here to protect you. A lot of people feel almost guilty, right about having accumulated this debt. And at the end of the day, bad things happen to good people, a lot of these things are outside of their control. So it’s good to give them a sense of being able to get at least one aspect of thier life back in track and back in control.

Davina: Right, right. Have you always been someone who has had a desire to help people like, you know, when you were younger? You I, from what you said, it sounds like you didn’t come into the idea to be an attorney until maybe you were in college and start thinking about or did you when you were younger think I’d like to be an attorney when I grow up.

Sheereen: So when I was younger, I didn’t really have a vision of I wanted to be an attorney, I honestly was very much into environmental issues growing up. I was always like, you know, finding stray birds and putting them back in their nests, and picking up trash at the beach, just always doing things to kind of like help the environment. And so I was I didn’t want to go into a line of work, where I would have to do like science or something like that, even though I really loved the idea of it. I just knew that two ways that I could help people would either be through medicine or through law, and I decided to go the law route.

Davina: Right, right. So in addition to bankruptcy, your firm also offers real estate and estate planning services. I was curious, not only are you an attorney licensed in Florida, where you went to school and in Maryland, where you’re from, but you’re also a licensed Realtor in both places. Why did you feel it was important to do that?

Sheereen: That’s a really good question. And I think the importance of that is, when I went into law school, I already had my real estate license. And when I came out of law school, which was right around 2010, there was not a lot of legal jobs available. So the good thing is I was able to rely on my real estate sales experience. And I was doing real estate until I was able to find an opportunity in the legal field, which was with eventually with another solo attorney as his associate. And another time that it came into play was I actually took like a five year hiatus from practicing law, and ended up doing real estate full time. But it it really was pulling at me because I I felt this urge to get back into bankruptcy and like get back into helping people in that way. And so that’s when I launched my virtual law office as a true solo. I did that in August of 2018. And have been doing that ever since.

Davina: Wow. So what, what compelled you to take a hiatus? Was it because of that kind of lack of employment opportunities? Or was it for a you know, another reason that you just felt like you needed to go explore and figure out what it was that you wanted to do?

Sheereen: Yeah, so it was a combination. It was just a shortage of job opportunities. I was living in South Florida at the time, and there weren’t really a lot of bankruptcy positions or areas of law that I actually was interested in. And also it was just a uphill battle, just trying to find. So if I did find a legal position, the pay wasn’t really what I felt my value was, particularly after coming from a sales background where I was making a lot more money than they were offering these first year associates. So that’s basically what kind of made my decision. I knew that if I was going to do law, I would eventually have to do it for myself.

Davina: Right. Right. And so you started your own practice. What were your thoughts when you started your own practice? Was that a, was that a kind of a scary and intimidating thing for you? Or did you feel really good? Like, you know, that this was going to be something you could do.

Sheereen: It was definitely scary and intimidating, but I decided to do it scared anyway, and I’m so happy that I did, because it proved to me that I was able to do actually more than I had envisioned for that law practice. And as a young black woman lawyer, it’s very challenging when you have to try to overcome a lot of barriers, just from historic issues. And so it’s very empowering. When you have potential clients reach out to you and say, I’m very proud of you for being such a young person. And you’re you have your own business and things like that. So a lot of people see you as a young attorney, but as a entrepreneurial, or someone who’s running their own practice, you don’t have to worry about clients second guessing whether you’re capable. Or if you have the skill set, have the talent to get what they need done. They see that you’ve done this much so far. So they already automatically say, okay, you’re qualified, and I would like to work with you. So another benefit of kind of working for yourself and putting yourself out there in that way.

Davina: Right, right. I’m sure you’re first of all, I’m sure you are also an inspiration to a lot of other young black women, young women, attorneys, who you know worry about whether or not they can step out and do such a thing. And and to see somebody like you, you know, that they can say, okay, she did it. So I can do it. I’m sure that’s, you know, that’s something that’s really going to be an inspiration.

Sheereen: I certainly hope so. I certainly do. And one of the things that I would like to do is to create some more diversity in the bankruptcy practice area, because there aren’t a lot of attorneys who look like the clients. So it’s a mission that I’m on right now.

Davina: Yeah. Do you in in the bankruptcy bar. Let’s talk about that. Because you’re in. You’re in Maryland, what what town are you in in Maryland? What area?

Sheereen: I’m in Montgomery County, Maryland, and then also in the Southern District of Florida. 

Davina: Right. Okay. So are you do you practice in both them? 

Sheereen: I do. 

Davina: Okay, so that that’s got to be a real challenge, and really interesting to work in two different states. So talk to me about how you how you’ve managed to do that.

Sheereen: So that’s where, I guess that’s kind of like the silver lining that came with the COVID pandemic, the bankruptcy filings and everything like that were the majority of it was already done electronically prior to COVID. But since COVID, they’ve moved all of the hearings and meetings to Zoom or Telephonic. So I’m able to now practice in both districts without necessarily needing local counsel, due to technology.

Davina: Right, right. Do you see that changing? Have you heard any news about that changing?

Sheereen: I know that the state courts are kind of resuming back to business as usual. And as far as face to face, but for the bankruptcy courts. I’ve so far what I’m hearing is that these Zoom, and virtual conferences are going to be in place indefinitely, and that they’ve even done things to modify the courtrooms etc. to have everything be electronic. So it’s looking pretty optimistic, at least for the bankruptcy practice, that it’ll be virtual for quite some time to come.

Davina: Yeah, yeah. Yeah, that’s gonna be a huge boon for a lot of law firms to be able to function that way. And it’s gonna be a big help to clients, you know? Do you, tell me about your decision to? I mean, obviously, the pandemic has caused a lot of people to, you know, shift to virtual, and some reluctantly, but this was something that you did when you started your firm. You, you said, I’m going to create a virtual law firm, right?

Sheereen: Yes. And so the reason why is because I was actually looking for remote attorney positions online. And they’re just at the time they were non existent. So I just decided to create one.

Davina: Create a plan yourself.

Sheereen: Yeah. And at first, it was a little bit hesitation from the clients because they were weary of maybe bit being scammed from online businesses and whatnot. But then when you start doing things like getting reviews and other forms of social proof, doing things like putting your name and your face out there so that they know you’re a real person and your legitimate business, that’s where, you know, they they feel more confident and of obviously offering things like virtual consultations. In virtual meetings, so that we’re face to face, at least through Zoom helps as well.

Davina: What did you use? What kind of marketing tactics or strategy did you use to get the word out about your business and start getting clients to take notice and pay attention.

Sheereen: I started by just being more active on social media first. So Instagram and Facebook and just being more visible. And then once I started getting some traction on social media, I was able to then develop a budget for paid advertising. And so once I started the paid advertising on Google really is where I started seeing the biggest opportunity to scale. And that’s where the business start really started to develop volume. 

Davina: Wonderful. So you, not only are you working virtually, but you were using virtual means as a means of marketing and growing your business. Instead of the traditional sort of meeting in person kind of thing and developing your network locally. 

Sheereen: Right. So the virtual office has to be virtual on all fronts. The marketing, the meetings, the way that you conduct business. And over time, you’ll be able to achieve that. And I wanted to actually start teaching other bankruptcy lawyers how to transition from what they’re doing to completely virtual. And that way, they would be able to delegate more things. What keeps the business running is automation, delegation, and just really putting more effort into marketing. That’s what really helps to keep the virtual office going.

Davina: Right, right, right. And so now you have a couple of team members working with you. Looks like case managers. So why don’t you tell me about those positions and kind of when you brought them on.

Sheereen: So funny story, they are actually my two best friends. One I actually have known since middle school. And the other I’ve known since high school. And we were all on the same cheerleading team together. So we’ve known each other for many, many years. And I was, you know, working truly solo. And once I started getting more traction on social media started getting more inquiries, the caseload was just more than what I could handle. So I brought on Mercedes at first. And she was really great in navigating clients. And they’re really the people persons, they, they are the face of the company that’s who the clients will interact with first. And they they’re really helpful as far as that goes. And then I brought in Kelly, maybe about six months later, and they are my only in person like, people, the rest of the office is all virtual. And I have ladies in Texas, all the way to the Philippines. So it’s really interesting, how diverse your office can be, once you become virtual. 

Davina: So how big would you say your team is?

Sheereen: I currently have a team of seven virtual assistants and two women that work with me, so nine altogether.

Davina: Wow. So the ones that are local? Are they do they interact face to face with clients then in an in person way? Or is there like an office set up?

Sheereen: There is an office setup, and we really don’t interact with clients face to face. We have an office, it’s more so like, for compliance as far as, but we haven’t we haven’t been there since March of last year. 

Davina: And so. So it’s interesting, I want to talk about your virtual team, because I think that can be a challenge for a lot of women, law firm owners to kind of think to themselves, you know, how can I really control what happens, confidentiality wise, and what happens, you know, with a company culture and and building my firm, if I’m working with a team of virtual assistants all over the world, how does that work? So how did that work for you and and kind of what was your thinking when you started down this path?

Sheereen: So that’s definitely legitimate concerns to have and most of the reasons why I was so hesitant of getting to know or explore the virtual admin workspace. So the answer to that at least for my office, the work that I delegate to the virtual admins are tasks that are repeated. And they’re usually something that has to do with operations, more so than, like the practice of law. So it’s something like, following up with people. If a potential lead comes in through online website, then they follow up with them. They do things like calendar management, they will send reminder text messages, or give reminder calls if we’re waiting for documents. So they do things that are really not necessarily going to get into nonpublic private information, like, for example, my clients social security numbers or something like that. 

So that’s where you have to what I ended up doing was, I took a week of a full five days over a week. And I wrote down every single task that I did for those five days. And any tasks that I did that I had to repeat, I looked at it again to see is this something that I can automate? Or is it something that I can delegate, and the things that I found I was doing a lot that I could automate, were done by doing things like setting up text messages, or setting up email drips. And those were usually for, like, frequently asked questions, or for the next steps. And then, as far as the VAs go, they’re very helpful, because what I didn’t realize how much I was doing until I hired other people. And I was like, wow, it takes eight other people to do what I was doing by myself.

Davina: I know it’s so shocking, right?

Sheereen: Yeah!

Davina: And it’s like, I’m going to give myself a raise now, right?

Sheereen: Exactly. So it really gives you an appreciation for your own abilities, because you’re like, wow, I was really doing this. But I wouldn’t be able to sustain that without getting burned out, like immediately.

Davina: Yeah. So I, how did you decide who to use for a VA? Like, did you go through a service? Or did you, you know, go to something like Upwork or Fiverr and find your VAs? Or did you search in social groups? Or how did you go about finding your VAs because I think there’s a lot of, there are good VAs and there are bad VAs. And there are a lot of people who kind of have trust issues around how am I going to find good VAs to help me and that’s quite a few to have have so many.

Sheereen: That’s also kind of intimidating. It’s just so many out there. You’re like, who do I even pick from but yeah, for me, I, a lady that I went to school with her name is Erica, she actually started a virtual admin company called Annie Admin. And I actually started with them first. And once I started feeling them out and seeing what type of things I could do with them, I started getting open to finding the same service at a lower rate. So when you see Upwork, as a website that I’m particularly fond of, they have a lot of VAs who work internationally, at maybe four to $8 an hour, they’re very, very inexpensive. And when you do the research, I felt weird. I was like $4 an hour. That’s like, that’s nothing and then it turns out with conversion when the money in other countries, it is about equivalent. So you know, $15 $17 an hour here. So I after I realized that I didn’t feel so bad. 

Davina: Right. Right. Right. That’s a good point. That’s a very good point. And it’s interesting that you have so many VAs, because I think one of the mistakes that a lot of people make is kind of thinking I’m going to get a VA, and they’re going to handle all these different things for me, and you really sounds like you really broke it down into, you know, this VA is going to do this, this VA is going to do that. And what made you just come to that conclusion?

Sheereen: I decided that I wanted specialist as opposed to generalist, and in terms of VAs a specialist means you do one thing and one thing only you’re extremely good at that. And so I broke down my process. So I have one VA all she does is audit files. And so what that means is she’ll love to make sure we have all the documents that we need. So so all that’s all she does, she just audit files audits. I have another VA all she does his lead follow up. So that’s all she does. I have another VA, all she does is manage my inbox. So it’s something that has to be broken down and made into very simple instructions and prefer preferably an action that’s repeated, and so becomes a habit for them. And one thing about the VA, in order to do it effectively, you have to be aware of your own processes and your systems, and oftentimes for solos, all of those things are in your brain where I have to really extract it. And really, really break it down, like step one, step two, step three, I feel like it’s better to do that first and then hire a VA, because then you’ll know what to delegate to them.

Davina: Right. Right. I think you’re absolutely right. It makes so much sense. And, and that is the biggest challenge with people even hiring, whether you’re delegating to a VA, or to an employee. Where the relationship breaks down is usually with us, because we don’t take the time to sit and say, okay, you know, I just do these things on automatic, I don’t think about it, and we don’t sit down and write out exactly what we’re doing, you know, or we skip stuff. It’s like when my mother in law, tries to share who is a gourmet cook, tries to share recipe, she always forgets to tell you, you know, the one or two little tweaky things that she does to make it turn out awesome. 

I don’t know, she forgets or if this is just her way of protecting her recipes. But so you know, is that is that is so true in delegating. So I want to ask, you want to go into a little more detail about this VA with regard to your email management. And I want to ask you about that specifically, because I know so many women law firm owners, whose that is one of the things that really struggle with is email management, especially if they have a team. And they’re getting copied on everything. And because they kind of want to be in the loop, but at the same time, they’re wanting your team to handle things. And there’s also, again, a trust issue around somebody managing your email. So can you go into a little more detail about how, what kinds of things your VA does for you with regard to managing your email and how that works?

Sheereen: Yes, so the inbox. Well, the first thing, what we do is we use a software, where I share my passwords, but they’re not able to see my passwords.

Davina: LastPass or something.

Sheereen: Yeah, LastPass. That’s what I use. And then I use Gmail filters. We use Google suite. So you have filters. And I’ve I’ve, and that’s another thing, when you have the VA is you got to put these processes in place, it’s really important. So I have the filter and one filter will be like client text messages. So all the client text messages that come in, go to a certain folder, they are different colors. And I even put the VA’s name. So it’ll be like, text messages, Kyla. And so all those emails go straight to her. And so you use the filters to base and again, it’ll be based on repetition. So for example, anytime I get, like a discharge order, I have a template email that I send to my client, congratulating them for getting their discharge, etc. So, she’ll know, to get the discharge order to attach it to the email, that’s a canned response. So it’s really important to have your templates and everything in place. So that all they have to do is point and click, you want to make it as simple as possible for your VA to execute whatever task it is.

Davina: Right. Right. That makes so much sense makes and then and again, do you have any concern with regard to I’m sure you have people sign confidentiality agreements and stuff like that. Do you have any concern with regard to somebody accessing your email? I know, I was speaking with an attorney recently who’s saying, well, you know, part of it is is that I have personal emails, and I have business emails kind of all coming to me. And I don’t know if I want anybody on my team, looking at my all my emails.

Sheereen: Yeah. And so that’s, that’s a good concern. But for this particular inbox, it’s strictly business correspondence. Yeah. So it and that’s another thing, if you have a VA, you’ve really got to segment and like separate things.

Davina: Right, right. So that really writing things down really creating that system is the first step to do that successfully. And I’m sure you didn’t start out at the beginning with, you know, nine people, it probably took you a little while to sort of add to add to if you were discovering, okay, I’ve done now I can outsource this, now I can outsource this and now I can outsource that, or did you kind of just sit down all at once and go, okay, here’s the plan.

Sheereen: No, I wish I was that organized. If I could execute that far in the future, but I’m not blessed with that kind of vision. I kind of have to solve the problem as I go along. So what it is for me, it’s when I start feeling pressure or stress. When I start feeling pressure about something I’m like, okay, who can i delegate this to or what can I do to be more proactive so that I don’t feel this kind of like nagging stress and so over time, you hire someone you see how they do. And I ought to be honest with you, I’ve been very impressed with the talent that I’ve been able to find. I have a VA who’s studying for her JD in the Philippines. 

So these are, you know, they’re very intelligent, they’re very practical, and they’re actually very experienced. And some of some of the things the tasks, they actually do better than I can myself. Once you kind of find that, it’s a relief, and then you kind of just want more of it. And so again, it’s overtime. And as you hire more, and you tweak your systems, you kind of see what area may need additional hands on, and just give them like that. But it’s really important. The training part is really important. And it can be as simple as recording a Zoom, or recording, I think Loom is the other website that people use. And when you’re walking it, walking them through it and talking them through it, and then they’ll have that recording, and they can go back to it to refer to it as opposed to asking you questions over and over again.

Davina: Right, right. Are there certain things you look for when you are hiring a VA when you’re using something like Upwork to find a VA. Is there, I’m sure you probably have a hiring process, too.

Sheereen: Yes, so I basically post my job on Upwork. And once when you’re on Upwork, you have different filter options, I pretty much look for people who have what people are looking for in me. So people who have good ratings, people who have good succession of our completion rates, they disclose all of these things on their individual profiles. I also have an interview process. And so you can tell why at least I can when you’re working when you’re interviewing someone if it’s going to be a good fit or not. I know some people are maybe concerned with the VA having an accent or something like that. You can even select the filter where they speak fluent or native English, if you if that’s a concern for you. So there’s definitely I think Upwork is one of the better platforms because of how much of a filter you can use to find exactly who you’re looking for. But again, that’s just your individual preference. I kind of stumbled across it. I initially went to Fiverr. But it wasn’t exactly what I was looking for. Fiverr is more like individual gigs. I was looking for someone more long term.

Davina: Right, right. Yeah, I recommend Upwork as a tremendous source to a lot of my clients for finding, you know, everything from somebody to handle their marketing to like you said somebody handling your email or your schedule or whatever, or copywriters, you know, all kinds of things like that. So great. So with regard to your marketing that I assume you have VAs is that are kind of helping you with that as well. 

Sheereen: No, actually, I do all my own marketing.

Davina: Do you really?

Sheereen: I do. And that’s actually what I enjoy doing. That’s what I went to school for. I’m a marketing major. And I think that’s the that’s what’s fun to me. So I enjoy doing it. But eventually, yes, I think I will hire someone to take over that.

Davina: Yeah, yeah, I think it’s one of those things. As you get busier as you get busier, busier, busier, you got to start making decisions about what you do. But then again, you know, hiring other people to do some of the legal work can be an option as well. So yeah, you know, as you grow and start adding attorneys, what I also see that you are, you know, I mentioned in the intro that you are, were invited to be in the National Black Lawyers, Top 40 Under 40 organization. Tell me a little bit more about that organization, and how that’s been a benefit for you.

Sheereen: So that’s going to be part of the National Bar Association, which is the historically African American Bar. And I was nominated. I think what got me on their radar was the pro bono work that I’ve been doing here in Maryland, I was actually awarded through the Maryland volunteer lawyers service, their COVID-19 response award, because at the height of the pandemic I took on, I think it was like 10 pro bono cases. And so ever since then, I’ve been seeing, you know, a lot more people recognizing what I’m doing so shortly thereafter is when I got the nomination from the National Black Lawyers Association, to be a member of their Top 40 Under 40. And I was super excited for that. And it’s been beneficial. I I’m able to, I’m now in their directory. And so if anyone’s looking for a lawyer online, my name pops up for that and so it’s been helpful.

Davina: Nice, nice I’m sure you’re probably you’re meeting other people in the organization to, you know, long term that will be.

Sheereen: Oh, yeah, they have like trainings that they offer to their members as well as resources. And they have a website that has a lot of really good information on it. So it’s been helpful.

Davina: Oh, great. All right. So, before we wrap up today, can you share with me like one of the kind of a gold nugget or something that as a lesson that you’ve learned along the way that you think might be helpful to other women law firm owners or people who are aspiring to open their practice? You know, in the coming years.

Sheereen: I think one thing that I would recommend to any aspiring or current woman lawyer who wants to go into business for herself, is to focus on being client centric, and really enjoying the work that she does, so that she can look forward to doing it day after day. It’s really important to be in love with what you do, so that it has that long term longevity for you.

Davina: Yeah, that is, so that is so critical and such a great idea to put forth. And I think it’s something that oftentimes we ignore, we think, you know, we get sort of started down a path, maybe because of the job we were in before and we know it well. So we start a firm based around, you know, a certain practice area, and it becomes the, you know, after the initial sort of glow wears off from starting your own firm, it can become drudgery, if you really don’t enjoy it. And it makes it hard to do it long term. Yeah, absolutely. I think that’s great advice. Thanks so much for sharing that. Tell us how we can get in touch with you connect with you, Sheereen, if we want to or find you on the internet.

Sheereen: Absolutely. You can find me on social media, Facebook and Instagram at attorney sheereen, a t t o r n e y s h e e r e e n. And I’m online. My website is middletonlegal.net.

Davina: Wonderful. Thank you so much. And thanks. Thanks for being here. I’ve really enjoyed our conversation. And I’ve learned a lot and I think a lot of other women law firm owners are going to be loving this podcast episode. So I appreciate it, Sheereen.

Sheereen: Thank you again for having me so much. I absolutely feel honored to be a guest on your podcast.

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