On this week’s Wealthy Woman Lawyer® Podcast, we speak with Shreya Ley, the President of LayRoots, co-founded with her husband Colin in Seattle, Washington. LayRoots is an asset protection and business planning law firm serving national and international clients using a combination of trust business entities, and both on and offshore accounts.

LayRoots helps their clients, other professionals, entrepreneurs, and business owners (including other attorneys) structure and organize their personal and business assets, so they are prepared in the event that they need to defend themselves against loss and minimize damage.

We also discuss Prep Trust™, a product they created to offer the strength of asset protection of a foreign trust, but with the simple maintenance of a US domestic trust.

We chat about what led the Leys to focus on asset protection, as well as:

  • Why you might want to think about asset protection to protect not only your personal assets but your law firm
  • How to ensure you retain privacy by making better registration decisions
  • Desirable layers of protection when making real estate investments
  • The reasons many business owners use offshore accounts and why to consider them
  •  And more.

Listen now…

Mentioned in this episode:

  • LayRoots Legal Facebook Page
  • LayRoots Website
  • Lay Your Roots YouTube Channel

Transcript

Davina Frederick: Hello and welcome to the Wealthy Woman Lawyer Podcast. We believe all women lawyers deserve to be wealthy women lawyers. Our mission is to provide thought provoking, powerful and practical information to help you in creating your own sustainable, wealth generating law firm without overwork or overwhelm, so you can live your best life. I’m your host, Davina Frederick, and I’m so excited for you to meet our guest today. So let’s get started.

Attorney Shreya Ley along with her spouse, Colin is the founder of LayRoots, and creator of a product called Prep Trust. LayRoots is a Seattle, Washington based asset protection and business planning law firm serving national and international clients using a combination of trust business entities and both on and offshore accounts. They help their clients, other professionals, entrepreneurs and business owners structure and organize their personal and business assets. So they are prepared in the event that they need to defend themselves against loss and minimize that damage. So we’re super excited to have trade here today on Wealthly Woman Lawyer Podcast join me in welcoming her.

Shreya Ley: Hi.

Davina:  So I am, I’ve got so many questions today. And I’m sure our listeners are going to be really excited to listen to this episode. Because we’d love to know about this combination of trust and business entities on and offshore accounts in ways that we can protect ourselves and our law firm. So let’s start out though with I’d love to, for our listeners gets to know you a little bit better. So he could just start out telling us about your journey to becoming an attorney and then opening your own law firm.

Shreya:  Sure, yeah, that would be great. And you know, thanks for having me. I would say that my journey was a bit meandering, to be perfectly honest. And I think it’s funny because I know that attorneys are usually categorized as Super type A motivated, folks. And I’m not saying that I’m not that person. I definitely am. But in many ways, but I also think it took me a while to find my true motivation. And so I tried a lot of things before settling into being a business owner and law firm owner. I started out as a chemical engineer, I worked at that for two years and decided I did not see that as a path for myself. And I did eventually want to be a business owner, and then see how I could do that as a chemical engineer easily. Because you typically work at a plant or a you know, oil field, a Chemical Engineer.

Davina:  It’s not a do it yourself business model.

Shreya:  No, not really have to have some, you know, pretty big clients and spaces to do that. And so yeah, so I went to law school, I’d always loved reading and writing. And I kind of missed that. And so I went to law school, I graduated at a terrible time for lawyers to graduate. I mean, maybe not as terrible as in the midst of a pandemic, I really feel for people graduating now. But it was 2010. And a lot of the law firms were kind of going under. And I, you know, moved to Seattle, kind of worked at a few companies, a boutique law firm, I worked at Microsoft for a little bit. I was lucky to have the engineering background, because I actually worked in the finance department at Microsoft, they were like, Well, you know, as an engineer, you know how to use a spreadsheet. So that’s great. Here, do some finance work. But eventually, I wanted to get back into the law. And to be perfectly honest, a lot of the firms at that time were looking at newer attorneys and saying, Yeah, you can work for us for free, or for $10 an hour. And maybe we’ll eventually hire you as an attorney or as like a full time, you know, employees, but maybe we won’t, and there’s going to be no guarantee about it. And to be perfectly honest, I thought that was BS. I was like, Well, I can get my own client. I can go out on my own. I don’t need that. I never worked for free as an engineer and I just had an undergrad degree. And that was some of the motivation to starting my own business and law firm, maybe a bit earlier than I had originally planned. But I have not looked back since.

Davina:  Yeah, that’s That’s wonderful. That is wonderful. What? When did you start LayRoots? Was that your first law firm that you started? You started? Or did you start? And then it evolved into this or tell me about that?

Shreya:  Yeah. And it started out as the law firm of I was Shreya Biswas at that time. So it started out as the law firm of Shreya Biswas Law, but quickly morphed into LayRoots which I own with my husband. And so we’re both attorneys, and the owners of the business. But yeah, it quickly morphed into that, as we kind of learned more about being business owners. And he also was unhappy and what he was doing, and so we decided to join forces and kind of start this up. But we were actually on, like a surfing camping trip. And I had been complaining about my job, I think, and my prospects, we kind of decided to join forces and move forward with it. Because, yeah, just, it was probably not the wisest decision to go from having like to, you know, income to like, no income. And starting a business, we did have some savings. But you know, we don’t regret it at all.

Davina:  Right? I’m eager to now we’ll get into a discussion with like, your spouse. But before we go there, let’s talk about the name LayRoots . So it’s spelled a little bit different than your last name, right? Tell us tell us what the meaning is behind it.

Shreya:  We went to law school in New Orleans, and there are these magnificent oak trees everywhere with extensive root system that can survive hurricanes, all over New Orleans. And so the name kind of comes from that from laying your roots. So laying a solid foundation, and making sure you’re structured properly to withstand any storms that might come your way.

Davina:  Right. So what precipitated this interest and asset protection and business planning. I know you have you guys tell your story on your website. And I’d love it if you could share your story and kind of what led you to your interest in this area?

Shreya:  Yeah, well, for me, specifically, I have been a part of a business with my father. And he is wonderful. He is a, you know, technical person and is super smart. Not that diligent about paperwork, and all the rules. He’s just like, very focused on whatever his technical problem is. So I started this business. And we’re concerned about, you know, any liabilities that might crop up there. And also, there were some patents with it. And so protecting those patents. And so we started researching options about asset protection. And many of the attorneys that we spoke to, who were in that field would say things like, Well come back when you have $30 million and want to spend $50,000, on a trust. And we just didn’t want to accept that as the only option. And so we started looking into it on our own. And part of that is probably one of the stories that you saw on our website is that, you know, people said that to us. And then we kind of didn’t do anything because we didn’t have $30 million, or Brian didn’t want to spend $50,000 on a trust. And then on the law firm side, I was pulled into a lawsuit with a client of mine had been defending trademark rights. And the people on the other side, were upset about that. And so just kind of named everyone on this lawsuit. Right. So they named my client bidding me they just anyone that they could think of was named and it was dismissed before a judge even thought so even before anything really happens, but even to just get to that point between me and my client was about you know, $60,000 in legal fees, and also extremely stressful. 

It was, you know, you start thinking Can I do Something’s wrong, and everybody else thinks I did something wrong, because I’ve been named in this lawsuit, and what’s going to happen and you’re going to affect these businesses that I own. And so that really motivated, motivated us to get more organized. And we figured that other people probably go through the same thing all the time, right. And they don’t know who to turn to, and they’re not prepared, or things like this, where people just kind of get mad, and, you know, file a lawsuit, and even though it may be meritless, or it may get dismissed, even up until the point where it gets there, it’s just really, it’s a really stressful situation. And we all work really hard to build up our savings and invest in things and build our businesses. And then to have that at risk, just cause a lot of sleepless nights.

Davina:  Yeah, I mean, I think you, I think you bring up something that’s really, that does cause a lot of sleepless nights for a lot of business owners I, I have had a similar experience in that my husband owns a business, and we sold it, and my name was on the business, but it was you know, his thing, but you know, we do a lot together and my name is on the business. So the people, as it turned out, we didn’t do our due diligence to the point where we didn’t realize that one of the partners in the business, it was another married couple, had some mental issues. And she, they wound up suing us, suing my husband and me because my name was on it. And we started trying to go after my other assets, like my law firm at the time, because they were looking for the deep pockets, they were looking for a way and it was completely baseless, we wound up but we wound up settling just to make them go away. Because we knew who we’re dealing with, it would just be so much easier just to say, here’s a little bit of money go away. Right? 

Then it would be to go through this, you know, the anxiety of a lawsuit. And having all of your personal business, your, you know, put out in a courtroom. So I know what you’re talking about firsthand, and what that feels like. And a lot of people think oh, that will never happen to me, I will never get sued. But like with you, this was a client, this is something that happened with a call, you know, and you got roped into it. And there is something that business owners I think, particularly women law firm owners don’t think of right when they’re growing and building their business. They’re not making their use either, you know, because they’re performing in an ethical way as I was performing in an ethical way, is you’re performing in an ethical way. And we know that anybody in the United States, anybody can sue anybody for any reason at any time. It doesn’t mean they’re right. It doesn’t mean they’ll prevail. But just the fact that somebody files a lawsuit, like you said, can be, you know, damaging to your reputation, because people think where there’s smoke, there’s fire, it can hurt, it can take, obviously, it can be costly, because you had now you have to hire another attorney to represent you. And you don’t know how long it’s going to go on. And it’s been known to destroy marriages and lives, you know?

Shreya:  Yeah, definitely. And, you know, our goal is to give people a little more peace of mind through that process and help them gain some leverage as well, right, though, as the person who is potentially named in a lawsuit, you don’t have everything on the table read, you know, readily available for someone to look up, and to make it harder for them to reach some of those assets. And so I know that our goal in helping our clients is to help them create those structures so that they’re better protected.

Davina:  Right. And I know exactly what you’re talking about, because that was the situation with the wife in the couple that, you know, policy hits us. It kept getting more bizarre every time they would. They were jumping. They weren’t leaving everything to their lawyers, they were writing stuff and sending it and it would get more and more bizarre, the more they were googling and digging and seeing what was under my name and wasn’t in my husband’s name and digging into our business as they were they would just come back with more and more because they were trying to come after everything that they could because I didn’t realize that they were You know, they had used this our business as reason to come in to come to the country. And oh, wow, yeah, yeah. And so we didn’t do our they were from Australia, and we didn’t do our you know. So, you know, we just didn’t do our due diligence the way we should have, I guess, I don’t know if we can even figure out if somebody has a mental issue before I did something with him. But anyway, so talk to me about some of the tools that you guys use, because I think lawyers sort of, you know, if you’re practicing Family Law, you’re practicing personal injury, or you’re practicing, you know, employment law, or whatever, you know, your area of practice really well. But I think asset protection is kind of both a little bit of a murky area for a lot of small business owners, including small law firm owners. And it’s sort of left to the realm of, like you said, these big law law firms and their corporate clients. So we think this only applies to billionaires and millionaires. You know, we don’t think asset protection is something that a small business owner needs to be thinking about. Tell me more about that.

Shreya:  Yeah, we think of asset protection as a ladder. And it starts with many times, just having, making sure that you have the right insurance, this has nothing to do with what we do. But it’s something that we advise people on and make sure that you have the right insurance, that the right people and entities are named on your insurance. And so it starts with that. And then from there, there’s really just some things you can do for proper business planning. I think one of the big mistakes that we see that people make is that they want to diversify their investments, maybe they buy some investment, real estate, and they have it in their own name. But in reality, that’s a business and it’s an operating business, you’re collecting rents, you’re providing, you know, this housing. And so having people treat their business, like a business is oftentimes one of the key things to start with, for people. We see so many professionals, like the majority of our clients, are licensed professionals. They’re not, you know, the billionaires of the world. They’re doctors, they’re lawyers. 

And a lot of times people are just really busy. And they, you know, they have their home address listed on their business registration, so anyone can look up where they live. And then also, possibly to look up, you know, the real estate that like what the real estate is worth. And so it’s things like making sure you have some privacy in your business registrations and also treat treating those business entities like business entities. And, you know, people are busy, and they’re doing all sorts of other things. Maybe you registered your LLC, and then you move, because you were renting, and you never got the renewal or annual report paperwork, and so then you never filed it. And then the business gets administratively dissolved or is delinquent. So you don’t actually have that protective entity that you thought you did. That’s a very common thing that we see. And or you just didn’t get, you know, the right business license or any business license, because you didn’t realize that the city that you operate in has a business license, in addition to the state that you operate in. It can be something as small as that. 

And that’s typically where we start with people. But then once you start getting a little bit more sophisticated and have those other things in order, we do focus a lot on trusts and setting up asset protection trust and helping people understand the distinction between an estate planning trust versus an asset protection trusts because estate planning trust for the most part, the simpler ones that people create, don’t provide any asset protection. They are meant to pass on things to the people that you want them to be passed on to after you’re dead, whereas an asset protection trust is specifically created to protect you and your assets from creditors during your own lifetime. So You know, it’s a specific kind, and they can be domestic, they can be offshore, they can be a combination of the two. And so we do a lot of trust.

Davina:  Let’s talk about the offshore accounts. And also just the whole concept of asset protection, because I think there will be there probably a lot of people when they hear things like offshore accounts, and asset protection that they think, you know, this sounds shady. Right. Yeah. And and this, you know, and if you’re rocking along and never been sued, or you’ve ever heavyweights will come after you for anything. You may think, you know, I do everything aboveboard. It doesn’t matter. I can be, you know, I don’t need any of that, because I’m doing everything in an ethical manner and the right way. And so and people might have that connotation, people have an offshore account, is that going to make me look? Like I’m doing something that I shouldn’t be doing? You right? back for people?

Shreya:  Sure. Yes. We? I mean, of course, of course we do. One, I would say, as an attorney, and as someone who, I guess, is aware of many of the criminal justice issues in our country, oftentimes, the idea that I don’t do anything wrong, I think is, you know, misplaced a lot of times because I think people can find something that you’ve done wrong, if they look hard enough. And also, you can also be doing nothing wrong, and still be accused of doing something wrong. There are several problems with that kind of line of thought. And I think we’ve seen that, over the years in criminal justice, I think we’ve seen that in our lives as business owners, that, you know, we’re all human, you can’t do everything right all of the time, because you’re not necessarily even aware of what all the laws and rules and regulations are. And so if someone puts your life under a microscope, there might be things that you’ve done wrong, maybe it’s not the thing that you’ve been accused of, maybe what you did, didn’t even cause harm to anyone. But there might be things that you’ve done wrong. And even if you didn’t, even if there’s, you know, nothing wrong, in what you’ve done, it doesn’t necessarily stop someone from accusing you of doing things that has wronged them. I mean, it can be even like simple accidents, right? where someone runs in to someone else on a ski slope, just by accident, and then that person gets injured. And they do everyone because people after the injury weren’t as nice to them as they thought they should have been right or as concerned about their safety. And so I think there’s that piece of it as well, is where there can be like simple accidents, that walk.

Davina:  And for different business owners or business owners, and then employees can write off the problems for us as well, that we, you know, it may blow up in our face, and maybe you haven’t, you’ve hired somebody in there something either either they’ve had an accident while driving to and from to do something in the furtherance of your business, or they may commit some criminal act, or, you know, any kind of thing like that can cause those sorts of situations.

Shreya:  Yeah, exactly. But then, you know, going back to what you were saying about offshore. So, I guess the entire concept of asset protection is not just, you know, regardless of whether it’s domestic or you’re taking advantage of something offshore, in many ways, it’s a way of using different jurisdictions’ laws to your advantage, right. So creating protective layers and entities. When people think about offshore, they often think about like Panama, and, you know, trying to avoid paying taxes, and huge, huge, you know, billionaires and corporations. There are people that do all of that. That’s not us. And that’s not the type of planning that we do. And so, for us, the majority of our clients, they may set up these offshore trusts, or for the most part, they’re doing an onshore offshore hybrid trust, their assets never leave the United States. They’re not trying to avoid Do you know being taxed, the Trust’s are tax neutral. And all they’re really trying to do is, is protect what they’ve worked really hard to build throughout their life.

And the reason that we take advantage of some of these offshore jurisdictions is because many of them have been designed specifically to help Americans protect themselves from lawsuits. And so they have favorable laws that help Americans that are different from the US ones, one, they might not have, you know, rest treaty with the US that forces them to honor judgments that are issued in the US. So they people have to go there to retry. It also, for the most part, though, it really just serves as a barrier for people where if you’re being sued, and someone sees that you have a trust in the Cook Islands, or naevus, even if partially, they don’t want to go through the trouble of figuring it out and arguing about it, and figuring out the laws of Niva. 

So the Cook Islands, so instead, they’re going to settle for a smaller amount, or they’re going to settle for whatever the insurance payout is, because for many of our clients, they might be sued, and someone is from like a car accident, simple car accident, and whoever is suing them is wanting above and beyond what the insurance company will provide them. And so maybe instead, they see that it’s going to take them, you know, they’re going to have to spend $2, to get $1. And they will instead just settle for what insurance is providing them. Or for a smaller settlement amount that might be more reasonable.

Davina:  Right. So it’s sending up a red flag or a message to the opposing party and their counsel that this may be, there may be something there, but the effort to get it is going to cost you more than the end result.

Shreya:  Right? Yeah. And then even before that, it’s about creating or providing people with more privacy. And so real estate is in the name of the trust or in the name of your business entity instead. And the business entity might be owned by the trust. And so it also makes it harder for people to look up and see, oh, this person owns all these things. Right.

Davina:  Right. And this is I think it’s really a timely topic. And something that a lot of women business owners, get them thinking about not only their business, but so many as, as they’re building their wealth are doing things like investing in real estate, investing in, you know, Airbnb, or vacation rentals by owner or in real estate, syndicates, or being, you know, flipping houses or landlord 10, you know, situate whatever, right, dude making real estate investments in all kinds of different ways. And they may not be thinking about how the best way to protect those real estate investments, that this is something that would really be something they need to be looking into thinking about.

Shreya:  Yeah, definitely. And, you know, it takes a long time to build up equity in, in homes and real estate. And I think, for a lot of people suffering from sort of a loss and that equity would be, you know, pretty devastating. So even if doing some sort of asset protection planning isn’t necessarily light for you. I feel like it’s important to at least be educated about it, and about the pros and cons because as business owners, I think we’re all used to, there’s going to be some amount of risk in building a business, any business. And so, but I think it’s important to know what risks you’re taking, as opposed to blindly going forward and not fully understanding what might be at stake.

Davina:  Right. And it would be a shame to spend all those years you know, studying and learning all about how to invest in real estate and all the conferences Yeah, I’m doing this in addition to you know, your law firm and growing your successful law firm and then have it all you know, jeopardized by something, you know, that you didn’t couldn’t anticipate. Right? You guys are based in Seattle, Washington? Are you? Are you only licensed in Seattle? Or how does that? How does that work? You’re able to help national and international clients? How are you able to do that?

Shreya:  Sure. Um, so we are licensed and registered in Washington State, but we’re able to help people nationally, because of the offshore aspect of it, because we’re dealing with, you know, international laws and jurisdictions, we are able to, you know, provide those asset protection trusts. And because, you know, many of these trusts, regardless of whether they’re domestic or offshore in between, are playing a jurisdiction game. That’s how we’re able to provide that nationally, we do often care with and work with local counsel. We work with a lot of other attorneys, actually, so business attorneys or estate planning attorneys, who have clients who are interested in doing some sort of asset protection. And so the, you know, estate planning attorney or business attorney will do all of the things that are specific to that state. And we will simply work with them to provide just the, you know, asset protection trust on top of the other entity structuring or transferring or state funding. That’s, that’s being done. So yeah, we work with also a lot of other attorneys around the US to just provide this one more, I guess, focused, niche piece.

Davina:  Right. So if there are other attorneys listening to this podcast, who are who work with entrepreneurs and professionals, and they, you know, this isn’t their area of specialty, they’re not this isn’t their wheelhouse, they definitely want to write down your information and keep it handy. So what year did you say that you guys created? The routes?

Shreya:  Um, it was about eight years ago? So 2013, I believe.

Davina:  And so, you have been in business for a while, it’s the two of you, do you have employees working for you? Have you built a team during this time? Or is it kind of to the I love all the surfing videos and everything you guys are like, I’m so jelly, I’m ready to go out there and go surfing.

Shreya:  Yeah, and we have not built a team. So it’s just the two of us. I mean, we do have the vendors like outsource receptionist and other help. Like we haven’t, you know, bookkeeping, accounting, that sort of a thing. But, but it’s really just, the two of us are we have hired, you know, help in the past. But we’ve really been focused for the last two years, actually, that instead of growing our team, before we do that, we really like using technology in the back on the back end, so that we can, you know, focus on kind of our clients and our marketing efforts to have a more personal touch. And so we’ve invested quite a bit in building out like, some help technologically, I guess, right, like, so having templates and online scheduling and email, like automated emails that remind people of things that they’re supposed to do, and things like that.

Davina:  Right? You’ve even productize, one of your services, something you call prep trust, which is a registered trademark prep trust. Tell us a little bit about that.

Shreya:  Yeah, so that’s the hybrid onshore offshore trust, that I had kind of mentioned before. It’s our version of it. And you know, some of the benefits for people are that one, they don’t have to actually move any assets offshore. They don’t have to hire an offshore trustee full time to manage their assets, which can be a big added costs and also a little bit daunting for people who haven’t done this type of planning before. It’s tax neutral. So it doesn’t change people’s taxes, but it provides offshore protection. For people it’s really meant for people who have not yet been sued or like are not currently being sued, right. So they’re doing some proactive Planning, it becomes a lot harder once someone is named in a lawsuit. Right, right. Not impossible to do planning, but it does. It just limits their options.

Davina:  Yeah, somebody’s already somebody already filed the suit, you know, and you’re moving things around. And that gets, you know?

Shreya:  Right. A little, it looks a little questionable. Yeah, yeah.

Davina:  Yeah. So, um, so, you know, I’m assuming then that for you guys, during this pandemic, that really hasn’t changed much. Because the two of you are already living together working together? And how has that been? How, what is it like working with your spouse?

Shreya:  Like that? Yeah, you know, I would say that, it’s not for everyone, but it works for us, we have found it useful to have our own domains within the business that we focus on and the other person doesn’t, tries not to interfere with, right, it doesn’t always work that way. I really enjoy it, because we have this shared experience, and we’re building this life together, in every way. And, and I think that, it’s really cool, it’s a really cool thing to have, if it works for you, then it can bring you you know, closer, I think, in many ways, because you can you have one, you have a spouse who understands what it’s like to be building a business and kind of the unique stresses and joys even that come with those with that. And you also are working together to build a certain lifestyle. I mean, there’s a lot of I guess, media, and this is kind of an aside, but around build the biggest business that you can and, you know, go national and hire, you know, all these employees and some employees is great. 

But I think along our business building journey, we realize that we kind of enjoy just having a lifestyle business, like we want to be able to live a life that we enjoy and take time for family and friends and hobbies. And it’s okay, if we don’t have a 50 person law firm that is churning out, however much per, you know, billable hours per year. And I mean, we don’t really even do any billable hours, we do mostly all of our work on a flat rate and subscription basis. But, you know, just in theory, the idea of what kind of the ideal law firm business looks like, we kind of realized along this journey, that that’s not necessarily what we want we want is we want to work with clients that we enjoy and like working with, and we want to live a life that we can enjoy now, instead of waiting for some far off, you know, retirement date, to travel or do things with, and being able to do that together. And both have that flexibility, I think is also an added benefit of working with your spouse. I mean, not that it’s always like rosy, right? Like sometimes we disagree on things on the direction the law firm is going in, or you know, you look over someone’s shoulder and you’re like, Oh, really, we’re watching YouTube video. Is that what’s happening right now? Right. But you know, it’s also it keeps things interesting and fun, as well.

Davina:  I too. My husband and I both are entrepreneurs and we work together and we live together and we’re in a pandemic together as a whole lot of together right now. Yeah, but you know, it is, it’s a shared passion, and it’s your interest. And, you know, we understand what the other part when you talk shop, the other person understand what it is you’re talking about, and really gets it you know, so I get I get what you’re saying with that it is not for everyone, but if you find somebody that you click with in that way, it can be a really enriching experience in your life. I really appreciate you being here today and sharing with us about this important topic because I do you think that a lot of us as we’re building Well, we may not be focusing as much as we need to on building those protections around it as we’re doing it. So I think you’ve really shed some great light on that for us. So tell us how we can find out more about the roots and how we can connect with you guys if we want to reach out and do that.

Shreya:  Sure. Um, so we have a YouTube channel where we make videos about asset protection mostly. And so you can probably Google YouTube LayRoots. And it will come up as far as reaching out to us. I’m on Twitter, I know a lot of like, so there’s like a big law, Twitter, you know, community. So feel free to follow me on Twitter, I’m at lay your route, or you know, go to our website, there’s a Contact Us form and whatnot, you’re always welcome to use that as well, I suppose. But, yeah. I’m always open to talking with other attorneys and meeting people, other business owners. And so people want to connect with me on Twitter or lawyer human is our Instagram handle. So you can connect with us there as well. But yeah, we’re on. We’re basically we’re on the socials.

Davina:  Really great, and we’ll be sharing those. We’ll get those links from you. And we’ll share them in the show notes as well. So people can just go down there and click so Shreya I appreciate you being here today. I really enjoyed our conversation.

Shreya:  Thank you I have as well and I’m so glad to be a part of this.

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